I’ve been
playing in 3 different leagues for a few years now and I am finding it increasingly difficult to trade with people.
Outside of drafting, trading is the most exciting part of fantasy
football so this is a very sad development. I used to make between 3 and 6 trades per year in some
leagues but that never happens anymore.
The reason that nobody will trade with me is that I have consistently
managed to rip someone off in the league year after year. Nobody trusts me and I am pretty sure
that most players hate me (not just for trading aspect but also
because I think I am smarter than everyone else).
Before I
get to the 5 steps that lead to a rip-off, I have to vent about trades that I
have had vetoed. I HATE that
players have the right to veto trades.
It proves to me that most fantasy players do not understand the point of
fantasy football trading. You are a
general manager and are looking to trade to upgrade your roster. As long as it is not collusion, trades
should be allowed. Not every trade
has to be perfectly even for it to go through. Otherwise, what is the point of trading if each team gets
equal value?? I even paid $5 to
fantasyfootballref.com during the 2007 season when a trade I made got vetoed by
the league. I will post this as a
reminder to B. Stealz, who threatened to quit after the trade:
Thanks again for your
patience. The trade you have
submitted of Steve Smith, P. Crayton, J. Norwood, K. Winslow, and Roddy White
for TJ Houshmanzadeh, Reggie Wayne, Marion Barber and Marty Boooker is a VALID
trade for the following reasons:
- The trade would be fair even if
you didn't have a laid back trade policy in place. You are giving up one of the best WR's in the league, a top
3 TE, a number 2 WR, and a RB that should see more touches as the season goes
on. Kellen Winslow's value is
being overlooked by people in your league. Winslow is on pace for over 1000 yrds. When you receive production like that
from the TE position it is extremely valuable. Antonio Gates was drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round in most
leagues and Winslow is producing very similar numbers to Gates. Winslow and Steve Smith are very
similar in value to Reggie Wayne and TJ Houshmandzadeh, while Crayton and
Norwood are similar in value to Marion Barber. Booker and Roddy White don't have much value and cancel each
other out in this trade. This
trade is indeed fair and should benefit both teams.
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REDEMPTION! That is all I have to say about that.
(I probably win a championship if this trade goes through. Please put my name on the trophy for
2007. Thanks.)
The above
trade is an example of a rip-off that lead to everyone hating me. Here are the 5 steps I used to pull it
off.
STEP 1: Find the victim.
In my
experience, there are 2 major characteristics you need to look for in your
prey.
- Doesn’t take himself or fantasy too seriously. Usually, the victims of fantasy rip-offs are laid-back
individuals who play fantasy football for fun. They don’t really care too much if they win or lose and
are not paranoid about getting ripped off.
- Doesn’t overvalue the players they drafted: If you’ve played in the same fantasy league
for a couple years, you know who I am talking about. There are always 3-4 players that
overvalue the guys they drafted.
It is impossible to trade with them so don’t even bother.
Once you
have located your victim, you can proceed to step 2.
STEP 2: Start with a phone call,
text, or IM. Depending on your level of comfort
with the other players in the league, you should always start the trade process with a phone call, text, or IM. Do not just go online and send a random
trade request that you’ve taken 2 seconds to think about through Yahoo. That is so impersonal. Trading is analogous to asking a girl
out on a date. Build up to the
first offer and don’t apply too much pressure early on. Here is an example of how to start the process: Start with an instant message on Gchat
or AIM. Ask about his matchup this
week and how he is feeling about his team. Then, tell him that you like his team (even if you are lying
a little bit) and lament about how you don’t have WR depth. This will get the ball rolling.
Step 3: Start with generalities, then get specific: Once your victim knows that you want to trade with him,
start by listing some players that you like on his team. Then, ask him who he likes on your
team. People hate getting trade
offers for players that they dislike so make sure you are offering something
worthwhile to him. After you get
an idea of who he wants on your team, make the first offer. The less detail the better. I usually start with a statement such
as “How about TJ Housh, D. Bowe, and an RB for Calvin Johnson and and RB?” Leave some blanks. A trade offer like that indicates you
are flexible and doesn’t put too much pressure on your trade partner.
Aside: This is pretty basic advice but you always want to get the
best player in the trade. 90% of
the time, the trader who gets the best player in the deal wins the deal. Try to trade depth for a better player who might blow up. You can usually
find decent pickups on the waiver wire.
Step 4: Mix and match until he finally says yes. Keep mixing and matching players over IM/text and try to
come to an agreement. Allow your
victim to offer trades to you as much as possible. That way, you can say stuff like, “ I don’t like this player
as much, how about this player?” Once
you come to an agreement, offer it online and seal the deal. Next, look for the hateful IMs, texts,
phone calls you get from the other players in the league for ripping that other
person off. If you don’t seal the
deal by step 4, move to step 5.
Step 5: Persistence
matters. Trading is NOT
easy. It takes a lot of time. I think I have pulled off several
trades by simply wearing down the victim. Everyday, I would IM the trade partner and ask about the
same trade. Sometimes they would
just laugh it off but I would continue to be persistent. After 8 days of harassment, they will
get tired of you and say, “Screw it.
Let’s just trade.”